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tito
Joined: 28 Mar 2008 Posts: 153
1959 Volkswagen Beetle
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 4:21 am Post subject: tocking = death |
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well, it figures. i get the chunk of metal out of the engine and today it begins to tock. crap. it happened while i was waiting for the bug to warm up at work. i barely noticed the noise as i was pulling away. but i noticed it. i got out and listened, panicked and shut the engine off. locked her up and caught a ride home. maybe im being paranoid. i dunno. im gonna rent a truck tomorrow, and grab a tow bar from Doster Bro (unless one of you kind souls can help me bring the bug home) so i can tear into the valves and rockers again and see whats up.
muir is not making me feel any better. _________________ 59 std monster
2187 cc
suicide doors, 6 inch beam, 2 inch chop, 4 inch drop, bus dash
73 std Bubba
1600 cc
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tito
Joined: 28 Mar 2008 Posts: 153
1959 Volkswagen Beetle
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 4:42 am Post subject: |
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okay, ive read and reread muir's overhaul section and it says that a thrown rod makes a tocking noise after you release the accelerator pedal. well, the 73 tocks all the time (could a ring have broken?). everytime the valves move. maybe i should try readjusting the valves (again) to see if that helps. ive done this 4 times this weekend to make sure i had it down. i gauged them to .006 each time (i bought new feeler gauges just to be safe as well) and now this. but one more time will definitely not hurt it.
the frustration builds. just when i feel like im making headway convincing lauren NOT to give up on the bug..... but *shrug* this stuff happens. gotta learn somehow. _________________ 59 std monster
2187 cc
suicide doors, 6 inch beam, 2 inch chop, 4 inch drop, bus dash
73 std Bubba
1600 cc
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Mountain Power House
Joined: 26 Jul 2006 Posts: 879 Location: Aircooled Heaven USA
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 10:03 am Post subject: |
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I have never heard an engine "tock"... Is that a knock??
Now you see what a timing adjustment can do.. Oh well, its an open opportunity to get first hand internal experience!
Consider yourself lucky. You have help.
I built my first engine at age 8 in a barn with hogs 10 feet away on a dirt floor.. The only help I had was a drunk guy that siowed me how to adjust valves.
This will be fun as long as you take it for the challenge it is. _________________ Jake Raby
57 Oval
64 Porsche 356C Outlaw
66 Bug -The Plague Returns!
73 VW Thing (Will I ever finish it?)
73 Superbeetle (Suby Power!)
76 Porsche 912E (X3!)
79 VW Iltis 4X4 |
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tito
Joined: 28 Mar 2008 Posts: 153
1959 Volkswagen Beetle
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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it isnt a knock. imagine the noise the valves make when they need adjusting, that ticking, and then imagine it a little deeper, it becomes a tocking. thats what ive got. _________________ 59 std monster
2187 cc
suicide doors, 6 inch beam, 2 inch chop, 4 inch drop, bus dash
73 std Bubba
1600 cc
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Mountain Power House
Joined: 26 Jul 2006 Posts: 879 Location: Aircooled Heaven USA
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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Sounds like you may have a carbon knock due to too much carbon on the pistons, or you may have a worn piston skirt.
Record it and post it... _________________ Jake Raby
57 Oval
64 Porsche 356C Outlaw
66 Bug -The Plague Returns!
73 VW Thing (Will I ever finish it?)
73 Superbeetle (Suby Power!)
76 Porsche 912E (X3!)
79 VW Iltis 4X4 |
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tito
Joined: 28 Mar 2008 Posts: 153
1959 Volkswagen Beetle
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 4:26 am Post subject: |
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well its all good now, i got to work and took off the valve cover to discover that a rod was laying on the pushrod tube. it had fallen out of the cradle in the rocker. i tightened everything up and adjusted the valves one more time and taaa daaa, no more noise (except a noisy muffler that lauren hasnt bought yet). absolutely no more noise. thanks for the suggestions jake! this gives me more insight into what i need to pay attention to. _________________ 59 std monster
2187 cc
suicide doors, 6 inch beam, 2 inch chop, 4 inch drop, bus dash
73 std Bubba
1600 cc
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Jon Site Admin
Joined: 01 Jun 2006 Posts: 2421 Location: Bishop GA
1969 Volkswagen Type 3
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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tito wrote: | absolutely no more noise. thanks for the suggestions jake! this gives me more insight into what i need to pay attention to. |
I see how it is, I take time while I'm at work to talk you through what you need to do and you thank JAKE.
I hope you have HIS number from now on. _________________ 73 Typ481
76 Westy
73 Bug
69 Squareback
70 Fastback
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Mountain Power House
Joined: 26 Jul 2006 Posts: 879 Location: Aircooled Heaven USA
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | I see how it is, I take time while I'm at work to talk you through what you need to do and you thank JAKE. |
DAMN!
I was wondering how my recommendations could have lead to a valve train inspection :-)
hell i wanted him to tear it down!!
I'll take the credit, after all I taught Jon everything he knows :-)
LOL! _________________ Jake Raby
57 Oval
64 Porsche 356C Outlaw
66 Bug -The Plague Returns!
73 VW Thing (Will I ever finish it?)
73 Superbeetle (Suby Power!)
76 Porsche 912E (X3!)
79 VW Iltis 4X4 |
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tito
Joined: 28 Mar 2008 Posts: 153
1959 Volkswagen Beetle
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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well jon-o,
i thought i thanked you on the phone..... i may not have, i cant remember,
in any case. thanks to you as well! _________________ 59 std monster
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suicide doors, 6 inch beam, 2 inch chop, 4 inch drop, bus dash
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Jon Site Admin
Joined: 01 Jun 2006 Posts: 2421 Location: Bishop GA
1969 Volkswagen Type 3
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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I want it in print for all the world to see.
Thanks Tito. :wink: _________________ 73 Typ481
76 Westy
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69 Squareback
70 Fastback
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71_georgia_beetle
Joined: 28 Mar 2008 Posts: 440 Location: Grayson, GA
1974 Volkswagen Westfalia
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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I didn't realize this club came with phone support. You really do get a lot for 12 bucks.
Hey Tito, do you mind sharing that number? :wink: _________________ 71 Standard Beetle "Big Bird"
74 Westfalia "Winifrid"
Burel Photography
Call me if I need you! |
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Mountain Power House
Joined: 26 Jul 2006 Posts: 879 Location: Aircooled Heaven USA
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 11:00 am Post subject: |
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See, Jon has my number..
So when you call him, he'll put you on hold while he calls me to ask the question.
:-) _________________ Jake Raby
57 Oval
64 Porsche 356C Outlaw
66 Bug -The Plague Returns!
73 VW Thing (Will I ever finish it?)
73 Superbeetle (Suby Power!)
76 Porsche 912E (X3!)
79 VW Iltis 4X4 |
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massive 79 vert
Joined: 08 Aug 2006 Posts: 122 Location: Commerce, GA
1979 Volkswagen Super Beetle
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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Mountain Power House wrote: | See, Jon has my number..
So when you call him, he'll put you on hold while he calls me to ask the question.
:-) |
Oh Lord....it's gettin' deep in here now! _________________ Beth Raby |
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Jon Site Admin
Joined: 01 Jun 2006 Posts: 2421 Location: Bishop GA
1969 Volkswagen Type 3
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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For $12.00 I'll sell Jake's number and you too, can get your answers staight from the horse's mouth. (that's $12.00 each) _________________ 73 Typ481
76 Westy
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69 Squareback
70 Fastback
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Bob F
Joined: 16 Jun 2006 Posts: 203 Location: Bishop
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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Jon, Jon, Jon, You are such a straight man. You did say horses mouth, correct?????? _________________ Ya can't have too many VDUBS.
1956 Oval
1966 Beetle
74 Thing (in progress)
74 SB
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