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tito



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:36 pm    Post subject: what could it be? Reply with quote

okay this is beyond frustrating.

i have spark. i have fuel. i have air. but still no combustion.

i have replaced the carb, the starter w/ bushing, the coil, the distributor cap, the points and condenser, the spark plug wires, and the spark plugs. the timing is dead on. the starter spins just fine. the battery is fresh. why is it not starting? any ideas guys?

i wonder if the oil still being 20w50 is it? could it be that simple? i have 5w30 to switch out for the winter but i still need the bug to warm up the oil so it can come out.

jesus im pissed.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it even trying to start? Are you sure the timing is correct? If it won't start you must have static timed it, which is fine, but be sure you timed it for #1 cylinder.

The oil won't have anything to do with starting. I'm running 20W50 right now....no problems.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try looking for 12 v on the coil during the "start" cycle, my ignition switch went bad and it would spin the starter but the 12 v would go away during the start cycle and come back on at run.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the timing is good. ive checked it and checked it and checked it.

it tries to start. it spins and acts as if it will crank up but it doesnt. yes i have gas. yes i have fuel pressure. it wont even start with starter fluid. nothing nada.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe its flooded real bad. Have you pulled a plug to see if they're wet with fuel. If you ever get one flooded and don't know it. The more you spin and pump it , the worse it gets. Just a thought.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

no, the new plugs are fine.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's start at the beginning.

1. Is the starter turning over at a good clip?
2. How do you know you have spark?
3. How do you know you have fuel past the carb?
4. Can you see a nice squirt down the carb?
5. 1432 in the correct order on the 009 and the car?
6. Are you sure you have the correct wires in the correct places on the coil?
7. Has one of the coil wires been inadvertently knocked off or severed?

Start simple. Take your time, if you checked it, check it again. Don't assume that "it" is OK because you just replaced it or check "it" a week ago. Lastly, check "it" again.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yup. ive done all of that. ive taken every part i replaced back off and put them all back on again (except the starter) and it changed nothing. im taking a break right now. ill go back out again in a minute.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tito it may be your points. check that they are set to specs and do not have a "tit" on one of the point surfaces. If it does, file the points smooth and adjust. Since it does try to start it's probably not the condenser. If the points are ok, remove the air filter and squirt a little gas directly into the carburetor. If it starts momentarily, it's a fuel problem. A whole new set of problems to troubleshoot. Keep us informed.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clyde just left. Jana ran for longer than she has in 3 weeks with me wrenching on her for just the slightest caress from him in under 4 minutes, phhhtt! figures. Jana has a crush on Clyde or something. anywho, im off to recharge the battery (again) but that should be it. the points werent gapped correctly, the timing needed to be advanced a little bit, and one of the power lines to the coil was pretty loose. simple things that i was pulling my hair out over.

THANKS CLYDE!!
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No Problem. I knew it would be something simple. The hard part is figuring which simple thing it is.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

battery is charged and she cranks right up. now i just have to tune her correctly so she will stay cranked.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Lastly, check "it" again.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

took out the gas tank today and cleaned it out. there was ALOT of rust, mud, and other gunk. painted the tank and cleaned out the carb. its all good now.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tito wrote:
took out the gas tank today and cleaned it out. there was ALOT of rust, mud, and other gunk. painted the tank and cleaned out the carb. its all good now.
The "mud" should just be finely ground rust. "Painted"? Is that the outside? Did you condition the inside? Otherwise you will be back again doing this soon.
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